I am having trouble with my shoulders, while the rest of me seems to continue growing my shoulders seem to be lagging.

It was shoulder session last night and while I hit them with the same determination and intensity I take to all my workouts they just don't ache this morning like they should.

I do shoulders with triceps the routine is


   Barbell press (in a rack not smith)

   Dumbell laterals (I do these seated astride a flat bench to isolate as much as possible)

   Front raises dumbell

   Upright row



   French press

   Close grip bench

   Rope pull downs


I do my warm ups, then all exercises are done with 3 working sets, weight increase on each set, reps 6-8 and I make sure I fail on each set, my intensity is good with minimum rest between sets.


So this morning my tris are feeling like I hit them and my shoulders just nothing really.

any advice would be welcome?

Ta
B.

try high reps for them, i hammer mine to death sometimes, you need to give em a good beasting sometimes

Cheers Kez that's gotta be worth a try,

what do you reckon drop the weight so I can make 12-15 reps per set or stay with the same weight and still go for 6-8 just add in extra sets?

drop the weight down so you can get about 12, try super setting drop sets etc for a good burn, i do gaint sets now and again for ultimate punishment  or pleasure  

How do you execute the movement of dumbell side laterals?

Most people when raising their arms lift with dumbell first, this is incorrect and will enable you to lift much heavier... which is WRONG!
Try the movement by lifting with your elbows first so your hands are slightly lower than your elbows, your arm should form an L shape. This will put direct stress on your side delts.

Try the movement by looking in the mirror on a side so you can perfect the angle, once you have mastered this technique your shoulders will be on fire.

Here is an example; (rest for 30-45 seconds in between sets)
1st set 15lbs x 20 reps
2nd set 20lbs x 15 reps
3rd set 25lbs x 12 reps

Finished off with tripple drop set for your 4th and final set, as soon as you reach failure pick the next dumbells up and fire away, start heavy and work yourself down the rack.

4th set
30lbs x failure
25lbs x failure
20lbs x failure

Do these first before anything to pre-exhaust the delts then move on to your pressing movements.
Training this way is better for direct stimulas and helps to avoid shoulder injuries    

cheers BK

Yeah my lateral movement is pretty strict. When i started I used to throw them up but have since learnt to do them more strictly. I do them sitting down on the end of a bench, hands either side, sort of below my arse then raise by contracting my shoulders and lifting them up, leading with my elbows arms slightly bent. I normally watch forward in the mirror to make sure my traps dont 'shrug' and my shoulders stay flat. I have only been doing them this strict for a month though! Also doing them this way my weight is right down 8kg first set 10kg second and 12kg third (roughly the weights you said). I feel the muscle exhaust whilst in the gym just not really anything the day after. I will put in that last drop set then do my barbel presses and see how I get on.

Cool, you do that. It will make a difference mate im sure.

I try it out on people in the gym and they havent felt anything like it. I like hurting people and taking them beyond the pain barrier, even better when i do it myself  

Its different when you are face to face with someone and can show them but  posting up here is the closest thing i can get to you (not in a gay sense  ) so this will have to do buddy!  

Thanks a lot BK I appreciate the help.

Yeah it is always better to learn in person but alas there seems to be a lack of big builders in the gym I train at oh what I would do to have a local hardcore gym to train in!

just a lil tip i was showen a while bk, imagen you are holding two wine bottles one in each hand at the top of the movemen you should be trying to pour the winein the floor in frunt of you. do you get that or have i complercated things?

it helps to keep those elbos up like bk said

cheers dean, yeah I have read that somewhere before as well, thanks I make sure i add it into the movement and see how i go over the next few weeks.