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bikerjo
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Hi Jon,

Ive popped over to hijack your thread.... lol.............


Only kidding looks like things are going well. Just thought i would say hi.
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Madeira Jon
March 7, 2008, 1:49pm Report to Moderator
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Jo, you know you're always welcome. I'm off to the gym to work on thighs, calves and back.  I dont expect to be able to walk later.
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Madeira Jon
March 11, 2008, 11:04pm Report to Moderator
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Damaged the hamstring again, but this time it hurt more, so I assume more damage as I've mentioned in INJURIES thread. Will now concentrate on arms , chest and back until the hamstring gets better in a few weeks this time! Using the "preacher" I spent only about 10 minutes doing bicep curls, then had the hamstring problem when I started cardio. So not much done today!
Set   Reps  weight    Total using Pyramid technique
1         12     10          120
2         10     15          150
3           7      20        140
4           4     25          100
5           3     30            90
6           3    25             75

I really want to get onto 40kgs soon
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Madeira Jon
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Taking 2 days off until Friday in order to rest the hamstring.  Then I think that leg exercises will be out of the question for at least 4 weeks. I#m not even trying to walk fast, just limping along!
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Just seems to me that we are all preoccupied with MORE IS BETTER, its not. You grow when you rest. Max four days a week on the weights, I do three off season, four pre contest. I do each body part once a week. Its about the
intensity you generate whilst training not how long you are in the gym for. Analogy. Look at a sprinters physique,
powerful, strong, how far does he run? 100 mtr. Look at the marathon runners physique, slight at best, but he goes
on for miles. So, train short, sharp, hard and intense to build muscle. Train for hours on end with less impact and stay small.

Just my take chaps.

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Madeira Jon
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Hi Reaper, when I first started I didn't visit any BB sites and with no advice to guide me, I was in the gym 7 days a week.  Now I've really cut that down and have been resting for 2 out of the 7. The guys on this forum told me I was over-training so I took their advice. As you so rightly said below
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train short, sharp, hard and intense to build muscle

Resting again today and the hamstring, is still ever so slightly "naggy" but nowhere as bad as before. I've cut the carbs down to stop putting on weight as Ive had to drop cardio for the duration.
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Replace the carb' calories you are cutting with protein. You don't need the carbs as much, so you have done the
right thing, but additional protein could assist your muscular damage repair more quickly. Just ensure you use good
quality protein.

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Madeira Jon
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Thanks Reaper. I was just going to reduce the carbs, but wont the extra protein just convert into fat if not used?
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Not in my experience, no. You are still training, you are still active, albeit not using cardio, but active non the less
and you will be training other body parts as usual. The extra protein will help heal damage. Use the mirror as your yardstick, if you see yourself getting fat then you are! At that point you would need to re evaluate your diet.

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It is near on impossible that your body would store protein as fat - dont worry about that - Reaper has given some good advice, give it a try

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Madeira Jon
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Interesting WO, especially bearing in mind the comments from PJ and Reaper about increasing protein as I've reduced the carbs. Today although I've had 2 full days rest and in any case my last WO was terminated early due to the hamstring injury so thats really 2 and a half days,  today I felt I had no energy! As recommended by PJ and Reaper Im gonna have to increase the protein! The hamstring is just nagging now and causes me to limp a little; WO consisted of arms, chest and back exercises such as:-                      
                                                  Visits       Reps       Sets    Av weight kgs          Total
Bicep Curl Arm Curl       (preacher)      1       107           11        18                     1,949        
Chest Press Wide Grip Press               1        64             7        31                     2,044          
Row Machine Wide Grip Row                1        45             7        67                     3,000          
Bicep Curls  (dumbell)                        1      200            2         10                     2,000      
TOTALS                                            4      416           27          31                    8,993      

All exercises were undertaken using the pyramid technique apart from the dumbell which was 25 reps then change hands.    Total time for complete WO was 1 hour. Funny how I feel cheated as I cant do cardio yet!  
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Madeira Jon
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Saturdays WO, no cardio again because of hamstring. Stayed for 1 hour doing "chest press" "tri's" and using the preacher again for bicep curls. Got to 25 kilos (55 pounds) with 3reps using pyramid technique but couldn't carry on as these muscles on both arms really started to ache. Particularly number 4, the purple one.


Earlier I managed 20 reps at 20 kilos (44 pounds).  This would have been impossible 2 weeks ago so I'm rather pleased with that progress. Still pi$$ed of at my stupidity in not resting that hamstring injury before. Without cardio I feel I'm not using my WO to its full!
Tomorrow another rest day.
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Again dont be so hard on yourself with the hamstring, just make sure that this time you give it plenty
of rest and time to recover. And when you go back take it easy to start with and dont go mad.  
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Madeira Jon
March 15, 2008, 9:13pm Report to Moderator
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Thanks Jo. I was damn idiotic before wasn't I!
I think you're gonna have bigger biceps than me at the rate you're going!
I've PMed you.
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Thanx, hopefully will have some new pics to post soon.

You werent stupid, but you will learn like we all do at times that these things take time and you cant
rush them.  
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