just wondering am i the only person training without the use of supplerments or steriods all of my m8s take them to help them out and the all tell me its alot harder and takes longer anyone else takeing the challenge cheers

I use supplements because they help you reach your goals..  what do you eat straight after the gym then ? or do you go home then eat? where i do both ?

what challenge is this then??

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what challenge is this then??

Its the one to make the slowest gains  

Ah well you can count me out, !!!  

Training and bodybuilding is still a challenge when you use supplements and/or steroids! Just you will be able to achieve more. Dont really understand the question?

basically thw question is does it take longer if you dont use supplerments and if it does is anyone else doing it without them (taking longer hense chalenge) and normally its a tin of tuna before and after aswell as bits of chicken bit l8er all in all about 50-60 grams in a day of protein

Training naturally of course will take you longer to build quality muscle - thats a no brainer. As for supplements not only do they help build muscle but thay are also very conveinient so have more than just one use. IF you diet was absolutely spot on you could get away without using supplements - however that is a BIG if. If something is going to take longer it doesnt necesarilly mean its more of a challenge. If you are consuming 50-60 grams of protein a day then you are wasting your time bodybuilding........

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If you are consuming 50-60 grams of protein a day then you are wasting your time bodybuilding........

Shite thats why i am making no progres  

Thanks PJ

Ok, so you're a natural. As PJ says it will take longer than those of us using supplemental aids. You will need to keep your protein to, at the minimum, 1gm per pound of
bodyweight, ideally 1.5 per pound of bodyweight per day.
Eating that amount  can be quite difficult, thats why most use a protein supplement to
ensure enough to promote growth is ingested. You need to take in protein, fats and
carbs throughout the day, every two hours or so if possible. So thats 6 or 7 meals a day.
Your carb intake needs to be around 2gm per pound of bodyweight. Fats? well eat two
tins of sardines per day and that will surfice, I use the ones that are flavoured, hot chilli
being the best! Good meal would be 2 tins sardines, small tin low suger baked beans and half a tin chopped and peeled tomato's. I would have half a dozen rice cakes with that.
So, you are going to have to do some homework, find out the protein yield on chicken,
beef, turkey, fish per gm and design your meals accordingly.
If you want it, you have to go get it !!

Reaper

hmm kk thnx lad im not gonna get arnie big but i bit of muscle would be good enough so i think ill keep doing it my way got me some results so far so yeah thnkx anyway

Curious .. what is ur current diet like and training routine? also what gains u made?

the very best of luck with it!!!

thanks kez and tbh its not gr8 routine atm took a long break but workout routine is normally 3 sets of upward rows 3 sets of shoulder press's 3 biceps curl 3 wide leg squats 3 lat lift 3 side bends 3 clean and press's and 3 sets of tricep arm extension all at 25kg apart from the tricep which is 8kg and lat lift is the same and tin of tuna before and after each wokrout and just eat loads thoughtout the day like chicken eggs bean nuts gain ive out on 4 pound of muscle decreased my bmi and upper body is alot more tonned and im 16 started about 9 month ago im reasonabley happy

just keep at it mate, your only young and plenty of years ahead of you to learn and improve

true cheers m8